Under the Oak Tree - Chapter 45
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alyssa
k no i tried but i rly finished this for ruth and riftan i loved them but girlllll this is probably the most dislike i’ve had for a FL. Like this was 45 chapters long and homegirl had zero character development. if it wasn’t the constant need for validation it was the constant doubts over riftan wanting her regardless of how many times he’s shown or literally told her that he wants her. it was tiresome even at the very last chapter she STILL thinks this man is gonna drop her and it makes no sense with how much he’s doing for her to make her feel secure. Like it’s been 40+ chapters, ik she’s traumatized or whatevs but damnnn grow a backbone already 😭
Moss
Alyssa, I totally agree with you. Her development is still lacking. Sure, her personal growth to become a better wife and the lady of the castle has gotten somewhat stronger but her emotional attachment towards Riften is a bit needy…
Altair
you read all that?😂
Marianna.
Ong..
lily angie
oh please, after all that abuse, the trauma she had its not gonna just disappear whenever riftan told her he wants her etc. shes trying. give her a break.
Foodlover@
She thinks that riftan will drop her is she is bored and Maxi does not want to go back to her dad’s place where she gets abused by her father
Fernando
Factsss!!!
Ashier Naej
For someone who doesn’t know what it feels like you’re bold enough to state your opinion… Imagine putting yourself in her shoes, for 22 years she was mistreated by her father and the entire Croyso household and then out blue her father says she’s getting married to someone she doesn’t know. Even if Riftan(Mah man) loves her unconditionally and with every bone, nerve, veins and drop of blood in his body you don’t expect her to just forget it and act like nothing happened… Her character development is showing bit by bit, she opened up to other people (other than riftan), she stood firm against the Knight’s criticism (chap. 39-40) and was able to have a sassy friend. Don’t think about saying that isn’t character development.
Fernando
Lily angie. Cmon now, give her a break?? She literally been having breaks the whole time! If shes not doing magic or decorating its the constant overthinking for no reason whatsoever like I’ve read worse characters that met through worse and recovered. Abusive father isnt even that severe. For any normal person, it just makes you want to fight back
Ọrẹolúwatàwa
Abusive father isn’t that severe? What the fuck are you saying?!!!
You know that statement can trigger so many people to anger. Watch what you say!
Purple
He threatened to beat her up in the beginning chapters and did in chap. 1
Fernando
Been reading the comments, i may be ignorant about the trauma and anxiety, but…. Idk, if im the wife of the most decorated knight and his head over heels over me (practically my slave), would that just be the most validating thing to have. Aint no way thats not sufficient enough. I have a husband thats handsome, well built, is loaded and has the respect of the masses. Irl, men like this wouldnt even consider timid girls and go for power-like women similar to them. Keep dreaming if you think thats not enough to get rid of your anxiety. What more do you want?? Thats the complete package. Like at the same time, they be fucking too doesnt that mean anything to get rid of the trauma sheegs. Whats really left at the marriage is a child tbh. Anyways, peace aint coming back here again
1HSaturn
you start out saying “i may be ignorant about trauma and anxiety” and yes, you are correct. You really think less than half a year of being away from the environment she’s been in for literally 22 years is enough to change a person??? And yes, WE can see Riftan is in love with her but as someone who has literally never been showed love how is she supposed to know? “Irl, men like this wouldn’t even consider timid girls and go for power-like women similar to them.” This is a blatant lie, it’s been proven time and time again (from men themselves, mind you) that they love demure women that they consider weaker than them so they can maintain control in the relationship. Why do you think so many older men go for younger women irl? It’s not because they view younger women as more powerful or on the same level as women the same age as them. And claiming that having sex is enough to get rid of trauma?? My god you are dumb as horseshit. And in another comment you say that “Abusive father isnt even that severe. For any normal person, it just makes you want to fight back” Like??? If anything, familial abuse can be the worst kind because it’s coming from the same people who are supposed to love you unconditionally. And fighting back? It’s like the middle ages first of all, you really think women back then fought back and didn’t suffer through the consequences for doing so? And again, she’s been through literal decades of abuse….You really think she’s “normal”?
I pity the people in your life because it’s clear you lack the empathy and compassion to care, treasure, and relate to them on even the most basic level.
mazilona
Well said 1HSaturn, the other commenter has been getting slightly annoying lol like FL feels as if she’s living a false life and once he finds out he won’t want her, it’s not the fact that she thinks he doesn’t love her. I think people who have never experienced that feeling shouldn’t be so quick to judge
KeiAyame
Very well said!! 👏 I’m genuinely shocked and scared how some people view “abuse as not a severe phenomenon”. I’m studying psychology, and mind you traumas are one of the causes that triggers a person’s personality. I mean, traumas are literally the reflection of your past. That is why I appreciate the story to be able to show the psychological problem and not only the romance. Also, I really applaud you to be able to sympathise and empathise a person whose life differs from you. Thank you and God bless ❤️
Ọrẹolúwatàwa
You really are very ignorant and –sorry to say– dimwitted.
KeiAyame
I hope that from these 2yrs after thus comment, you learn how toxic you were in the past. Honestly, its quite concerning to see people in 2020s to be so close minded and narrow minded with mental illness and disorders. It’s quite concerning to be honest. But its different for you who is selfish to claim that abuse isn’t severe. As a psych major, I believe you need to have a quick check up as I can see that you lack sympathy and empathy. Though, i can’t say if you are just naive and sheltered or just straight a selfish person. You don’t put your own ideals to someone who has different life from you. You can’t even have sympathy to someone who had suffer for their life but to put yourself on their shoes and tries to belittle their journey? That’s not how it works, hon. So pls, I’m praying that you have learned your lesson. I suggest to watch documentaries about abusive family and the effects to it. It will broaden your perception of how abuse is not something very light to take as a phenomenon.
alchelyys.
In my opinion, Maxi really deserves better. I mean I understand her. She’s been abused almost her life! She truly deserves better. I hope I can hop in to this manhwa and give her a hug. I would love to congratulate her for doing well during those days. I’m glad Riftan came to her life to make her happy. I do hope that Maxi will stop thinking about thoughts that Riftan won’t need her anymore. Try to be on her shoes. She’s traumatized, she’s afraid that her happiness won’t last long. You guys need to shut the fuck up. I love Maxi’s character.
Ph0enixflame
Are you fucking serious Imagine being beat and told you’re good for nothing your whole life of course she’s gonna be freaking insecure it’s not freaking easy to grow out of that mind set. It will take her years to get out of it because of all she went through and I’m tired of seeing your comments dissing her like have you not paid attention to the story at all?? have you ever tried to understand her story no you just whine about how she “doesn’t have a backbone” come on not cool she’s been through so much and she’s gotten so far from where she was before. And of course she’s still gonna have that mindset it doesn’t just go away on its on it’s own. maxi obviously has abandonment issues no matter how much someone can reassure you that they aren’t going to leave or hurt you you’re still going to have that mindset but of course you wouldn’t know that Because you’ve probably never had that mindset. (Read it or not idc)
Kamilla
I mean there are people who can be married for years and all of a sudden their husbands fall out of love with them and come on this is what abuse and trauma look like, She’s still gonna have doubts and all and she will get over it when the time comes. You are used to FLs who bounce back too quickly even after going through something like getting killed or abused and some people are like that some are not…
Zachary
I agree🤧
Sparky
Poor Maxi
Blue
You don’t know anything about anxiety, do you?
Laila Coyne
you guys better be translating the rest or I might cry
Heri heri
When the next chapter 😭😭😭
Aura
As someone who has dealt with abused her hole life and still expecting it now it is understanding why she needs constant validation and approval before she does anything so she doesn’t get hurt, it would be hard for someone who lived her hole life thinking she was worthless, this manwa is very realistic to the abuse side of childhood Trauma.Her character development will come along soon as she starts learning magic, but right now it hasn’t been a year in the manwa so- it’s normal for someone who is a child of abuse to think the way she is.
neko.seren
It’s so hard to wait, why the Artist only publish on 10 20 and 30 of every month????
Miena
Alyssa, I think the pace of her character development makes logical sense, if you consider how traumatic her past is and how those traumatic experiences left deep inner child wounds. It’s only natural that her non existing sense of self worth and self-love will continue to plague her mind throughout her existence outside of her dad’s abusive estate. At this point external validation from that tall drink of a man is but a drop in the ocean. If she doesn’t value herself enough, how can she openly accept and genuinely believe that he values her or that his affections towards her are real and sincere?
Fernando
Bro istg, i literally skipped to this chapter to check if maxi got any charac development. She still the same stuttering, self-doubting, overthinking girl that does want to improve on her weaknesses. Thats a big L if I ever see one like i aint reading through all that just to see the girl keep thinking of stupid things. Glad i didnt suffer reading all that.
Cemre
Seriously, comments saying “abusive father isn’t even that bad” etc… I honestly can’t understand how you can’t empathize. If it feels slow paced and frustrating, I understand, then just keep your comments that way or don’t read it at all. It is not like someone loves you and BAM, you are instantly cured. Or it is not like she is seeing a therapist or anything. She hasn’t mentioned any of what she went through out of fear and rejection, so that reality is still there on her mind.
It would be great to see some confrontation, either by Maxi talking about it or Riftan somehow learning what she went through, etc. I don’t mind this pace, or a bit faster one. But her overcoming everything within a span of year would be too unrealistic. And don’t you ever worry about your losing your loved one? Now for the first time in her life she has something to lose, so that is one added fear. Still she developed as much as to comfort Riftan and helping others.
saiki
is she stupid
Kio
Ya’ll arguing in the comments?
Coralina
While it is a annoying that she is still so insecure, Riftan is not helping her cause, he treats her as she is useless, didn’t mention all the achievements she made, is not aware of her efforts, for him she is just a beautiful lady
vereathez
legit, plus he keeps doing the dirty with her, that’s not validation or love, and clearly, it’s not helping Maxi with her confidence, Ruth is better at making her confident than Riftan. Riftan makes it like she’s an object.
krisskross
If you read the novel and the one from Riftan’s POV – it shows how much he loves her
Enna620
I understand some comments, actually, first episodes were rearry hard for me because I don’t like that attitude in a FL. However, I understood the severe abuse. She was abu**sed and healed and abu**sed and healed, and abu**sed once again… like, several times. I understand.
Henkap
You’re all saying it because you haven’t read the actual novel.. you’ll be proud in the later chapters,trust me
Henkap
And her stuttering will improve sooo much better…
Cesia
This people “she don’t have character development” “she’s weak” come on y’all lack of understanding she’s been neglecting for her whole life she’s trying and SHE have character development. Don’t read if you don’t like tho stay mad
Xoxo iloveher MAXI BE MY WIFE IM GAY FOR YOU <3
Tajkrioma
I really don’t know if these people understand what character development is but it doesn’t mean the character has to change their whole personality and behavior and trauma doesn’t just magically disappear when it’s not discussed at all she still hasn’t told any about the shit she went through nor has she reached a mental state where she can just magically move past it . Let’s use vegita from dbz as an example I mean he’s still the same condescending prick we know and love but now he knows what it means to truly love another person. So yeah a characters personality won’t just do a one eighty just because their environment has changed, that would just be shitty writing and would make the story boring.
Retika
Y’all can keep arguing but i just wanna ask , ahem mister ruth umm are you single?? Can i have ur number please , ur address is also fine i can send u letter if ya don’t hv phone 😂😂😭💖💗
mads
this comment section is not it omg. if you haven’t experienced anxiety, abuse, or just trauma in general you have no idea how difficult it is to overcome it. yes at times it may be frustrating but cmon she’s doing her best. she got abused pretty much most of her life by her own father and all that trauma can’t go away that fast. i may have not experienced abuse, so i cannot speak on her situation that well but i have experienced anxiety and trust me it haunts you. ALSO READ THE NOVEL!! she has insane character development which just makes you so proud and even now if you compare her in the beginning of this manhwa to her in the manhwa now there’s a pretty big difference. so please have some common sense and give my girl a break ffs😭
Idontcare21
Ok, Yall really out here having a fucking debate in the comments
Drei Gun
The comment section is on fire, 😂
Wisteria
There seems to be a lot of confusion and frustration towards MC in the comments, and it’s understandable as mental illnesses are not an easy thing to empathize with. Unfortunately, this misunderstanding towards someone like Maxi, who shows a lot of symptoms of anxiety disorder and CPTSD, are exactly what reinforces unhealthy thought patterns in the mind of the victim. I’ll put it this way – you are basically reenacting all of the ways Maxi imagines everyone will treat her if they find out about her past. While you may think it’s harmless to vent your frustration on a story character, please keep in mind that real people with real mental health disorders (that mirror our dear Maxi’s) read these comments and thus read what feels like a reinforcement of their own negative, and sometimes suicidal thoughts. You might find this comment ridiculous, but I can guarantee you your comment does more harm than you can imagine. For those with mental health disorders like the above, remember this: the people commenting these things do so out of ignorance. Pay them no mind, and understand that those who matter would never think such things of you for being ill. Listen to those with empathy and patience only.
Rawrdino
Girl he is a puppy and your the owner that man is obsessed with you he will love you no matter what.also never put riftan hairs back like that ever again
sines926
Ppl don’t know what a battered woman’s life is like. You don’t understand true self loathing. It doesn’t just go away cuz you all of a sudden get a sexy hot husband who loves u. It takes time. Step by step; day by day….and that’s IF you can somehow get away from your abuse. It’s paralyzing. But if u can find love and joy it makes it easier…but it doesn’t truly erase your past and beliefs you might have about yourself whether they’re truth or lies…it takes time to break thru those walls. And change. She’s been with this guy for only a few months at this point.
goodcoffee
I’ve read the comments and i though that as someone who’s experienced childhood trauma (although not as severe or as long) I thought i’d share my opinion. first i’d like to make clear that theres a difference between realism and good story telling. what i mean is, the argument that Maxi’s character development is too slow story wise and gets boring/ annoying for the reader is completely valid. however the idea that what maxi is feeling is unrealistic is not. I’ll be talking about the realism, not the is it good story writing.
maxi’s constant anxieties are very realistic. I suffered from trauma from my dad however my mother was very supportive of me. I started going to therapy in 2nd grade and went once a week until the end of 8th, I still go although less often even now. I also have an anxiety disorder (diagnosed in about 4th grade). anxiety is very unrealistic. I know how it manifests for me is a lot of “what ifs” especially around how others think of me. for years id think about every little thing i do and watch people’s reaction. even with family members who i know love me to the end of the earth and back if i did something they reacted even slightly negative to, i’d go down a rabbit hole of what if they hate me because of this. when you have anxiety that stems from your trauma it’s a constant thought at the back of your mind and it comes out whenever your mind is empty. the way this anxiety is shown is accurate, especially compared to other manwha. (I know i get annoyed when the main character suffers through a lot of trauma then seemingly gets better in a month)
another symptom that maxi shows a lot is the idea of not deserving any of this. i felt that a lot when i was younger. I will admit that it was one of the things that i overcame the quickest, that and it wasn’t a constent feeling but one that surfaced whenever i made a mistake however from what it seems maxi just got out of 22 years of being treated horribly by everyone, and it’s been only a couple months. It took me years and the only person who treated me like i was worthless was my father, and even that wasn’t all the time. (he’d imply i was a burden on him one second then the next he’d tell me that I’m his best friend)
once you take account for how different maxi and i’s experience is it’s very clear that if maxi was a person in the real world it really would take this long for her to move even a tiny bit forward. and I’ll once again note, although it’s a pretty realistic, that doesn’t mean it makes for a good story. I mainly just wanted to share this because how people are wording it implies that experiences like maxi’s and how slow healing can be isn’t valid
(to add a tiny bit of logical understanding to this other then just my experience: all of this was happening during her since she was little. this is the time that you take in your surroundings like a sponge, everytime she was abused her brain took that and strengthen the nuoropathways created in order to protect ones self in this situation. all the things she is experiencing is how her brain decided to try and cope with what was happening along with a way to protect herself. her brain decided the best way to protect itself from the pain that the trauma caused was to expect it. It hurts a lot more if someone you think loves you suddenly hates you then if you expected them to hate you in the first place)
if you read all of this, wow. good job for making it this far, i wrote a mini essay. if you didn’t the take away is that maxi’s portrayal of trauma is realistic (at least compared to other manhwas) though the argument that it’s bad storytelling is completely valid
Aashxbored
This is the first mahwa whose comments I am reading 😂😂my opinion is I know the trauma maxi went through so instead of showing their f*cking time together why don’t they just skip a few days or months
Aya1600
Am I the only one who’s annoyed by Riftan?
He’s not a trash, but the way he’s acting is sometimes getting on my nerves.
I never suffered from physical abuse, but of course, the scars you get from it won’t vanish like that, in some months, like magic, so even if Maxi is not the kind of fl I like the most, I don’t dislike her, she’s just making my heart hurt. Like, when she’s asking herself why he cares about her, and since he is a man and she is his wife, he can have her whenever he wants, no matter what she thinks ☠️
But I really have a problem with Riftan.
First, at the start, he though she hated him, when it was pretty obvious she was scared of him, and he didn’t try to understand her better and calm her, he was just getting angry .
Second, okay he’s tender with her, but he know how much she’s hating herself, and how insecure she is, and do nothing about it, nor try to understand the reason for it.
He’s gentle with her, but he mostly show her how he likes her body and want her. And he even use her guilt to have his way with her 💢
He should be more caring, inquiring why she’s hating herself so much, explaining to her she’s not an object and she’s free to refuse him, and shoudn’t guilt trap her to have sex. And he should show her that he doesn’t just like her for her body but for herself. Hope he won’t behave like that until the end, she deserve someone who respect her needs more than what he showed us until now
YvetteTrinity
Oh my. The comment section is intense. Breathe in, breathe out
This just shows how immersed we are in the story. Props to the author.
The artist is also doing the material justice.
And let’s not forget the translator. Thanks all!
Thought I just needed a break from the rising heat and intensity from the readers
Nighthunter
Noooo, girl… Can’t u tell? Riftan wants you, alright? He likes u toooo. Don’t think nnegative thoughts, always be positive… And keep smiling.
lanastoleyomangas
this comment section is on fire😭😭😭
Anusha
They are really doing it everywhere
TABLE_CHAIR
These comments are making me so happy, to see how there are still so many people who have empathy and can have sympathy for others. I hope the ignorant people in the comments grow just like I did. Empathy is something you cannot live life without
AoiSato56
ok now, she is still thinking like a little girl who was abused for a long time she takes time for anyone to change from that experience u have a whole lot of self doubt and she has changed have noticed that she doesnt stutter that much, she trying to change but the fact that Riftan says that he hate liers it something that would hurt her , bc that was what she doing she doesnt want to tell Riften the truth cause she is scared that he will leave her and she will have to go back to her hell or her abused douche canoe father will kill her. i have a hard time reading it bc of the spelling problems but over all it not a bad story it just like watching a old movie that takes a long time to get to the good parts and i read this 4 times i like it
Soeluna
It always amazes me when people are surprised that FLs with deep trauma don’t just magically get over it in 20 chapter. She was abused and told she was worthless and unlovable her whole life. That kind of abuse takes years to get past and it takes years of others loving you for you to realize that maybe you do deserve love, and maybe you aren’t worthless. This story is such a great representation of the mind of someone who has been dehumanized and abused their whole life. If you want a story where the FL over comes any struggle within 10 chapters, pick up a Mary Sue story
YvetteTrinity
I love reading the comments.
And for those who are wondering, yes Maxi had indeed shown development and growth though it may sometimes go back down when anxiety looms again everytime she isn’t distracted.
Right now, Maxi and Riftan’s relationship is becoming very idealized and over the top. This is the honeymoon phase of the relationship.
And just like any other relationship, challenges will eventually cause these lovely pair to look beyond their glorification of each other.
It is slow but that is the beauty of this novel. Just like in life, there are certain lessons we never seem to learn but if we managed to get the gist of it, and at the end of the day, it is considered a win.
If not, then it is also the beauty of life. It is part of being human.
Both the characters are imperfect trying to be perfect in front of each other. which is what gives this novel its beauty.